The point about social media not needing to censor because it drowns out dissident voices in a sea of slop, was a deliberate operation first proposed by Cass Sunstein in a 2008 working paper.
This is the playbook the regime has followed ever since and it has worked perfectly:
"The intriguers effectively determined that “if you can’t lick ‘em, join ‘em” (as the old saying goes). That is, rather than working to REFUTE conspiracy theories, the solution would be to INFECT them and MISDIRECT them and add utter confusion to the mix. The consequence would be that conspiracy theories would look so ridiculous that no broad swath of people in the general public might one day actually begin to have any belief in their credibility.
"In the past, people did have doubts about the official stories relating to the JFK assassination, the Oklahoma City bombing and the 9-11 tragedy. Now, however, emerging alternative theories about other events would be totally eviscerated—from within—and die by their own accord. Anyone putting forth any form of conspiracy theory would automatically become suspect, their very sanity questioned." (Michael Collins, False Flags: Template for Terror, 2013)
As Bowden once said, the only things that the regime can't brook are genuine radical right-wing ideas, and religious fundamentalism. Anything less will eventually be digested and sanitized.
I try to point people to this as often as necessary. It’s an open secret that’s overlooked far too often. This and the nudge strategy that people seem to forget.
Satan is. The Jews (those who participate in these shenanigans, for an exception see Brother Nathaniel) are just useful tools of the true enemy.
If you aren't theologically inclined, then I could say "Mankind's imperfect (aka sinful) nature". People still screw eachother over without any jews being involved.
Calling them out doesn't do a whole lot if no one is going to go the distance to hold them to account. Given our institutions have been oriented into one giant anti-pogrom machine, we effectively need genuine revolution. It appears the system itself has zero intention to hold them to account no matter how loudly they are called out.
Watch to see how Martyr Made's series on WW2 develops. My assumption is most will shrug and equivocate "every side in war is bad" and act as if there haven't been consequences to all the lies that must be answered for.
I do believe the truth is important, but we have to remember the purpose of calling them out is to empower authority which does not answer to them, even if we have to create that authority ourselves.
Yes, it's quite strange and counterintuitive, but JQ is actually being allowed now, and what timing! If you look at Israel, they had the most dystopian and effective jab program of any nation on earth in 2021. Nearly 100% jabbed, and they couldn't even go outside without it. If Jews were really the culprits, why would they seek to destroy their own population? And why all this self-destructive war since Oct 7 2023? Israel didn't have to dial up to 11, their extreme overreaction has spurred the first truly anti-zionist sentiment that we've seen in decades in the non-muslim world. Trump and conservative's extraordinary, blind love for Israel's genocides and ethnic cleansings line up also with a bizarrely exaggerated narrative... there's a message being conveyed here and a narrative being run that is not conventional or expected. I believe Israel and Zionism in general are being thrown under the bus to further Satan's goals of turning people from Christ.
First, infect Christianity with Zionism. Then, make the zionists go nuts with bloodlust. Then, make it all self-destruct in stark contrast to Dispensational bullshit readings of Scripture, and ta-da! You turn a whole world against Christianity and disillusion many if not most christians all at the same time. The only outcome will be massive bloodshed for nothing and Zionists will be to blame. That's what I see happening
hard to tell. mass honey pot perhaps. It's pretty hard to imagine they just lost control of twitter, Instagram etc and overnight normies are JQ posting though. People are being pushed in that direction. I don't understand it, but I can't explain the facts otherswise
Comparing the fall of feudal lords with the fall of brainy people of "online right" is completely wrong. It is true that "online right" has been healthier 10 years ago, but if you thought that it had some relevance even back then, you should get more serious. It is very positive that people like you, meaning intellectuals with some seriousness and ability, got under the influence of the doomers of the past (Evola, Spengler and many others), but this phenomenon is limited to the intellectual domain or to keeping some of these ideas, although in a very limited form, alive.
Main issue of man today, and for many decades, is rapid "racial" degeneration which got expressed in the consumer-bourgeois mindset completely dominating today. As Evola said, we are at the end of the cycle, and given the polycrisis we are in, maybe even at the end of the end of the cycle. The only way for those who see that is to "ride the tiger", which is primarily about transcending the bourgeois mindset, and wait for some unexpected help "from above", from true forces of tradition, which still exist.
Not being on twitter and only following some selected voices (AA, Dave Green, Scrumpmonkey e.t.c) can be so confusing. One day everyone calls themselves rightwing, and the next day everyone distance themselves from the label. All supposedly because something happened on on twitter.
I’m mostly in the same boat, but I heard Zuck, Besos, and Elon were all going to be at Trumps inauguration together. I assume this is what containment looks like in one perfect symbolic moment.
Still I am confused. I don’t pretend to understand elite theory front and back, but I thought having counter elites to ally with was always going to be a bit of a devils bargain. Their interests would always come first, but it was better than the alternative.
Yarvin always talks about those early internet days, when only the smart could get online. The discussion boards were full of deep discussion from thoughtful people. Then the plebs got on and couldn’t stop taking pictures of their meals before they stuff themselves. I guess AA and others are discovering this feeling for themselves. This is how it always goes when your thing becomes mainstream.
I totally agree. It's been hard to keep up with stuff over the years, not having a twitter account, but to be fair all I missed out on was drama and shite.
The vast majority of things you see come either in your feed from social media or you read things which others recommend, which will likely have been fed to them by Google or social media, so a feed again.
Apart from the damage the dopamine hits are doing to our mental health the internet is a co-ercive engine of propaganda for those who own it. Even using it for research has dubious worth.
“The left was defanged and made to wear a ridiculous rainbow-coloured frilly skirt as the world laughed at them, and now a similar process is taking place on the right.” Precisely. (I’m going to borrow that sentence, if I may?)
However, I sense reality reasserting itself on the right. Something the left cannot allow to happen on its side without shattering its whole world view.
The fact we are even talking about SM slop is an indication of this shift.
The odd IRL normie interactions I’ve had recently lead me to think more are aware of containment, if not the subtle mechanisms of it, than we imagine. (Farage seems to be the lightening rod in British normie world).
They may not have read Carlyle, but they get what’s happening. I don’t want to overstate the case, but I sense tectonic plates moving. .
You were right about elite theory the whole time. But now is the time for redplebes. Be ready for NFL-style patriotism, soft gambling, demisex, and tv style “debates” about evolution and flag burning.
"Give a man commentary, you feed him for a day. Give a man the correct framework for understanding power, you feed him for a lifetime."
At this point, honestly, following commentary on the news cycle is unnecessary. A bit of AA and WarStrike is good enough, and now that I've ingested the worldview, the commentary writes itself. All that remains is to observe the relevant events.
If the implicit claim is that virtue exists in distancing one's self and disavowing a movement that has been evidently captured by elite interest--believing in the primacy of elite theory in explaining political phenomena of import--then the conclusion must be that one should never allow themselves to be a part of any political movement important enough to be construed as an elite threat. Instead, one should perpetually relegate themselves to the margins of the dialogue!
In other words, the prescription is to lose. Please correct me if I am mistaken, but this is the seed of perpetual ideological defeat--forever and ever!
This is perhaps the eternal issue with any platform or public space - the discourse will inevitably settle at the level of the lowest common denominator that is allowed to participate in the debate. Substack can throw up walls in form of curated content for the subscribers and the general atmosphere that there is more of a higher barrier to entry, but the recent shift to notes and increase in slopposting herald the inevitable destination ahead.
I would not decry that necessarily however, as the laws of power dictate that the hoi polloi are always mere receivers, not broadcasters, so perhaps curating one's work towards particular group or aim will inevitably be more worthwhile than competition with the everpresent slop.
"The left was defanged and made to wear a ridiculous rainbow-coloured frilly skirt as the world laughed at them, and now a similar process is taking place on the right".
That's "total reification" for you. The Frankfurt School predicted it before anyone else.
AA- I agree with your thesis that 90 plus percent of “influencers” on the online right are paid agents of some interest exactly as you defined. (This of course applies to “influencers” on the left as well.)
However, the question is, how influential are the rw shills?
Take Shapiro- I don’t know a single person in real life who likes or even watches his content. I don’t care how many “subscribers” youtube claims he has.
The same applies to blatant astroturfed propagandists like Kisin and Lindsay, etc etc.
As a counter, I do know people in real
life who are positively disposed to Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan, for example.
What specifically makes you think that the shills have an actual following?
Definitely agree, but my point is that the influence of the propagandists shouldn’t be exaggerated, and that really there is no reason to engage with the content of these agents except to point out their funding sources and agendas (rufo, etc).
I have the impression Rogan fans tend to be Bernie bros and the like, the kind who just got around to voting for Trump in 2024. And there are lots of guys who view JP as a tragic figure to be pitied, even if they don’t quite fully recognize the uselessness of what he puts out.
Peterson’s book sold a ton of copies and he was selling out arenas for his talks. Yes this was pre benzo meltdown, but I still kno of normies who have some degree of positive regard towards him.
I have never heard anyone say anything—positive or negative—about little Ben in real life.
And I do know people who listen to Rogan occasionally.
Sure that’s purely anecdotal— is your experience different?
The interim between Trumps election and inauguration has really shown a lot of people out.
One second you're being told to STFU and back Trump, which I did, or literally seek Canadian healthcare/get in the crystals; the next you're watching everyone scramble to sell some variation of, "well, I never said the incoming regime WOULDN'T dry-fuck us..."
We need disintermediation between our "yeoman intellectuals" and "the public". As long as writers are on someone else's payroll (e.g. giant corporate interests) they will always be susceptible to being subverted.
Sadly we really need to build our own infrastructure.
The point about social media not needing to censor because it drowns out dissident voices in a sea of slop, was a deliberate operation first proposed by Cass Sunstein in a 2008 working paper.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585
This is the playbook the regime has followed ever since and it has worked perfectly:
"The intriguers effectively determined that “if you can’t lick ‘em, join ‘em” (as the old saying goes). That is, rather than working to REFUTE conspiracy theories, the solution would be to INFECT them and MISDIRECT them and add utter confusion to the mix. The consequence would be that conspiracy theories would look so ridiculous that no broad swath of people in the general public might one day actually begin to have any belief in their credibility.
"In the past, people did have doubts about the official stories relating to the JFK assassination, the Oklahoma City bombing and the 9-11 tragedy. Now, however, emerging alternative theories about other events would be totally eviscerated—from within—and die by their own accord. Anyone putting forth any form of conspiracy theory would automatically become suspect, their very sanity questioned." (Michael Collins, False Flags: Template for Terror, 2013)
As Bowden once said, the only things that the regime can't brook are genuine radical right-wing ideas, and religious fundamentalism. Anything less will eventually be digested and sanitized.
Very useful Mike cheers!!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
- William J. Casey, CIA Director (1981)
I try to point people to this as often as necessary. It’s an open secret that’s overlooked far too often. This and the nudge strategy that people seem to forget.
The Jews have been called out, unfortunately only people like us care.
They are not the root problem.
Satan is. The Jews (those who participate in these shenanigans, for an exception see Brother Nathaniel) are just useful tools of the true enemy.
If you aren't theologically inclined, then I could say "Mankind's imperfect (aka sinful) nature". People still screw eachother over without any jews being involved.
LOOLLLLLL "satan" is the Jew's invention
Calling them out doesn't do a whole lot if no one is going to go the distance to hold them to account. Given our institutions have been oriented into one giant anti-pogrom machine, we effectively need genuine revolution. It appears the system itself has zero intention to hold them to account no matter how loudly they are called out.
Watch to see how Martyr Made's series on WW2 develops. My assumption is most will shrug and equivocate "every side in war is bad" and act as if there haven't been consequences to all the lies that must be answered for.
I do believe the truth is important, but we have to remember the purpose of calling them out is to empower authority which does not answer to them, even if we have to create that authority ourselves.
This has become almost mainstream now. Too mainstream. I'm suspicious people are being baited into this.
Yes, it's quite strange and counterintuitive, but JQ is actually being allowed now, and what timing! If you look at Israel, they had the most dystopian and effective jab program of any nation on earth in 2021. Nearly 100% jabbed, and they couldn't even go outside without it. If Jews were really the culprits, why would they seek to destroy their own population? And why all this self-destructive war since Oct 7 2023? Israel didn't have to dial up to 11, their extreme overreaction has spurred the first truly anti-zionist sentiment that we've seen in decades in the non-muslim world. Trump and conservative's extraordinary, blind love for Israel's genocides and ethnic cleansings line up also with a bizarrely exaggerated narrative... there's a message being conveyed here and a narrative being run that is not conventional or expected. I believe Israel and Zionism in general are being thrown under the bus to further Satan's goals of turning people from Christ.
First, infect Christianity with Zionism. Then, make the zionists go nuts with bloodlust. Then, make it all self-destruct in stark contrast to Dispensational bullshit readings of Scripture, and ta-da! You turn a whole world against Christianity and disillusion many if not most christians all at the same time. The only outcome will be massive bloodshed for nothing and Zionists will be to blame. That's what I see happening
A very interesting possibility. It all seems so high risk though
If we're all in the same place we're easier to distract or otherwise control.
hard to tell. mass honey pot perhaps. It's pretty hard to imagine they just lost control of twitter, Instagram etc and overnight normies are JQ posting though. People are being pushed in that direction. I don't understand it, but I can't explain the facts otherswise
‘Our main business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance but to do what clearly lies at hand’ - Thomas Carlyle. Get busy in your own life.
Exactly.
Lift Weights.
Do something more useful than lifting manmade metal again and again like a slave wasting your energy, aging your body, and accomplishing nothing
Troon christcuck statement
You're literally indian
Yes, I will sell your family into sex slavery and behead you.
ਅਕਾਲ
You'll get run over by train, weak lil indian
Comparing the fall of feudal lords with the fall of brainy people of "online right" is completely wrong. It is true that "online right" has been healthier 10 years ago, but if you thought that it had some relevance even back then, you should get more serious. It is very positive that people like you, meaning intellectuals with some seriousness and ability, got under the influence of the doomers of the past (Evola, Spengler and many others), but this phenomenon is limited to the intellectual domain or to keeping some of these ideas, although in a very limited form, alive.
Main issue of man today, and for many decades, is rapid "racial" degeneration which got expressed in the consumer-bourgeois mindset completely dominating today. As Evola said, we are at the end of the cycle, and given the polycrisis we are in, maybe even at the end of the end of the cycle. The only way for those who see that is to "ride the tiger", which is primarily about transcending the bourgeois mindset, and wait for some unexpected help "from above", from true forces of tradition, which still exist.
Not being on twitter and only following some selected voices (AA, Dave Green, Scrumpmonkey e.t.c) can be so confusing. One day everyone calls themselves rightwing, and the next day everyone distance themselves from the label. All supposedly because something happened on on twitter.
I haven’t been on Twitter since before Christmas
I’m mostly in the same boat, but I heard Zuck, Besos, and Elon were all going to be at Trumps inauguration together. I assume this is what containment looks like in one perfect symbolic moment.
Still I am confused. I don’t pretend to understand elite theory front and back, but I thought having counter elites to ally with was always going to be a bit of a devils bargain. Their interests would always come first, but it was better than the alternative.
Yarvin always talks about those early internet days, when only the smart could get online. The discussion boards were full of deep discussion from thoughtful people. Then the plebs got on and couldn’t stop taking pictures of their meals before they stuff themselves. I guess AA and others are discovering this feeling for themselves. This is how it always goes when your thing becomes mainstream.
I totally agree. It's been hard to keep up with stuff over the years, not having a twitter account, but to be fair all I missed out on was drama and shite.
Could you drop a link to Dave Green's channel/substack/website in my dms? Trying to find more good sources
For some reason, I keep getting an error when trying to send you a dm, so I reply here:
Dave Green's YT: https://youtube.com/@thedistributist
Substack: https://fiddlersgreene.substack.com/
Thank you sir much appreciated!
Once this space became semi-mainstream, it was diluted by slop.
The realigned western elite has taken the most sanitized threads of our discourse and weaved it into a monstrosity of their will.
Online is almost entirely 'fake'.
The vast majority of things you see come either in your feed from social media or you read things which others recommend, which will likely have been fed to them by Google or social media, so a feed again.
Apart from the damage the dopamine hits are doing to our mental health the internet is a co-ercive engine of propaganda for those who own it. Even using it for research has dubious worth.
“The left was defanged and made to wear a ridiculous rainbow-coloured frilly skirt as the world laughed at them, and now a similar process is taking place on the right.” Precisely. (I’m going to borrow that sentence, if I may?)
However, I sense reality reasserting itself on the right. Something the left cannot allow to happen on its side without shattering its whole world view.
The fact we are even talking about SM slop is an indication of this shift.
The odd IRL normie interactions I’ve had recently lead me to think more are aware of containment, if not the subtle mechanisms of it, than we imagine. (Farage seems to be the lightening rod in British normie world).
They may not have read Carlyle, but they get what’s happening. I don’t want to overstate the case, but I sense tectonic plates moving. .
You were right about elite theory the whole time. But now is the time for redplebes. Be ready for NFL-style patriotism, soft gambling, demisex, and tv style “debates” about evolution and flag burning.
Demisex?
Lots of cleavage and supple flesh on screen. Ugly hookup culture in real life
Was hoping for some evidence, or examples, or argumentation to support this thesis. Instead, it's just name calling and defeatism.
Shouldn't you doing your homework? Don't wanna flunk 10th grade again.
"Give a man commentary, you feed him for a day. Give a man the correct framework for understanding power, you feed him for a lifetime."
At this point, honestly, following commentary on the news cycle is unnecessary. A bit of AA and WarStrike is good enough, and now that I've ingested the worldview, the commentary writes itself. All that remains is to observe the relevant events.
If the implicit claim is that virtue exists in distancing one's self and disavowing a movement that has been evidently captured by elite interest--believing in the primacy of elite theory in explaining political phenomena of import--then the conclusion must be that one should never allow themselves to be a part of any political movement important enough to be construed as an elite threat. Instead, one should perpetually relegate themselves to the margins of the dialogue!
In other words, the prescription is to lose. Please correct me if I am mistaken, but this is the seed of perpetual ideological defeat--forever and ever!
Not necessarily. Once the correct vanguard is established and watertight it may be the one. But those currently “on offer” as it were are a con.
This is perhaps the eternal issue with any platform or public space - the discourse will inevitably settle at the level of the lowest common denominator that is allowed to participate in the debate. Substack can throw up walls in form of curated content for the subscribers and the general atmosphere that there is more of a higher barrier to entry, but the recent shift to notes and increase in slopposting herald the inevitable destination ahead.
I would not decry that necessarily however, as the laws of power dictate that the hoi polloi are always mere receivers, not broadcasters, so perhaps curating one's work towards particular group or aim will inevitably be more worthwhile than competition with the everpresent slop.
"The left was defanged and made to wear a ridiculous rainbow-coloured frilly skirt as the world laughed at them, and now a similar process is taking place on the right".
That's "total reification" for you. The Frankfurt School predicted it before anyone else.
You're not the first to pick up on the Adorno overtones in this piece Thomas, but you are the first to say it in the comments! ;)
AA- I agree with your thesis that 90 plus percent of “influencers” on the online right are paid agents of some interest exactly as you defined. (This of course applies to “influencers” on the left as well.)
However, the question is, how influential are the rw shills?
Take Shapiro- I don’t know a single person in real life who likes or even watches his content. I don’t care how many “subscribers” youtube claims he has.
The same applies to blatant astroturfed propagandists like Kisin and Lindsay, etc etc.
As a counter, I do know people in real
life who are positively disposed to Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan, for example.
What specifically makes you think that the shills have an actual following?
The point is they make it very hard to say and perception is everything
Definitely agree, but my point is that the influence of the propagandists shouldn’t be exaggerated, and that really there is no reason to engage with the content of these agents except to point out their funding sources and agendas (rufo, etc).
Direct Perception vs Reality wars (like Ukraine vs Russia) seldom end well for the Perception side.
I have the impression Rogan fans tend to be Bernie bros and the like, the kind who just got around to voting for Trump in 2024. And there are lots of guys who view JP as a tragic figure to be pitied, even if they don’t quite fully recognize the uselessness of what he puts out.
Peterson’s book sold a ton of copies and he was selling out arenas for his talks. Yes this was pre benzo meltdown, but I still kno of normies who have some degree of positive regard towards him.
I have never heard anyone say anything—positive or negative—about little Ben in real life.
And I do know people who listen to Rogan occasionally.
Sure that’s purely anecdotal— is your experience different?
The interim between Trumps election and inauguration has really shown a lot of people out.
One second you're being told to STFU and back Trump, which I did, or literally seek Canadian healthcare/get in the crystals; the next you're watching everyone scramble to sell some variation of, "well, I never said the incoming regime WOULDN'T dry-fuck us..."
We need disintermediation between our "yeoman intellectuals" and "the public". As long as writers are on someone else's payroll (e.g. giant corporate interests) they will always be susceptible to being subverted.
Sadly we really need to build our own infrastructure.